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Mattmifron  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:45:18 PM(UTC)
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Dear StockCentral members.  I am the treasurer for an investment club.  We are transitioning to the Online iClub software.  In years past, we used a homemade Excel spreadsheet to keep track of the financial information (deposits, unit value, member's unit, etc.). 

I am using the Wizard to help me import the club's old data into MyiClub Online.  I am at the page titled "Record Opening Balances", where you enter each member's money contributions and units up until the transfer date (in my case, this is 12/31/2009).  There are four columns on this page:  "Paid in Cash", "Paid in Units", "Earnings Cash", and "Earnings Units".  All but "Earnings Cash" are easy to fill in using the club's old Excel records.  However, the "Earning Cash" column is a bit tricky, perhaps because I don't entirely understand what it means or it's purpose.  I am assuming that earnings refer to any money made over the years, which would be reported on our annual tax form (dividends, capital gains, etc.) for each member based on their percent ownership of the club.  

My question is, if I do not have all of this information from years past (the club began in 2002), is it ok to leave this column blank?  After all, won't the earnings be accounted for by simply entering each member's shares at the time of transfer to MyiClub online (12/31/09) and the current value of the Club (as of today, 9/15/10).  What is the purpose of the "Earnings Cash" column?

Thank you.

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Pawche  
#2 Posted : Thursday, September 16, 2010 3:53:56 PM(UTC)
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The Earnings Cash amount is actually very important to enter. Together with the Paid in Cash amount they determine each member's cost basis in the club. This is shown as the Paid-in-plus-earnings column on the Member Status report. If you leave it blank, the members will not have accurate cost basis figures for their investment in the club. If your club has had a net profit distributed over the life of the club, that profit is distributed to the members and they report it and may pay tax on it depending on their personal situation. Every member's share of the profit is also added to the cost basis in the club of each member. When a member withdraws from the club their gain or loss is calculated using this Paid-in-plus-earnings amount as their cost basis. Leaving the Earnings Cash amount blank will cause inaccurate cost basis figures for all of your members and inaccurate gain/loss figures when members leave the club. If your club has had a net profit over the years until this switchover date these members could also pay taxes on the same income twice. Once when it was allocated by the club and again due to inaccurate cost basis information.

The Earnings Units amount can be left blank. Just be sure to enter the total number of units owned on the switchover date in the Paid-in-units field. The Earnings Units field is a remnant of when the software treated year-end profit as physically given to members and then immediately re-invested in the club. This is not necessary and is a practice that is discouraged now. You will see this in Allocation Settings. There is a field to enter a date when units are no longer adjusted with allocated income. Set this to 2009 or earlier when you finish your Beginning Balances. You do not want units adjusted with year end income.

Russell Malley

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#3 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 11:27:48 AM(UTC)
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Is it mandatory to enter "Paid in Cash" and "Earnings Cash" as separate amounts?  If the total of the two amounts is entered for "Paid in Cash" and "Earnings Cash" is left blank, won't that result in the correct tax basis (aka Paid In Plus Earnings, aka PIPE)?

Of course, of you don't properly separate PIPE into it's components during the switchover, then the member status report won't show the correct amount for "Paid in Cash".  But (more importantly), PIPE will be correct (won't it?) on the Member Status Report and elsewhere.

Of course, if the club didn't track tax basis for individual club members in it's previous records, that's a significant problem.

-Jim Thomas

Pawche  
#4 Posted : Monday, September 20, 2010 10:45:35 PM(UTC)
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No Jim, it is not mandatory to separate the paid in from the earning in the member beginning balance entries. It can be useful to the members to see how their total cost basis is divided between cash investments and the earnings. The PIPE can be entered as one entry. Getting all the information to enter an accurate PIPE may be difficult with incomplete records. If only the earnings part is missing the club may be able to contact the IRS for copies of past 1065 returns with the K-1s. I do not know if it would require only the tax matters partner's request or a more general request signed by all partners. There may also be a cost involved.

Russell Malley

Mattmifron  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, October 5, 2010 12:43:22 PM(UTC)
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Thank you for your response Mr. Malley.  Here is our dilema.  The club, which was founded in 2002, is planning to move to iClub on 1/1/2011.  We have records for members earnings going back to 2006.  The club has used a homemade Excel sheet to keep track of distributions for each year starting 2002.  Each year, we give all members a list of their distributions, and then it is their responsibility to inform the IRS of their earnings or losses.  The club has been compliant with the IRS for each year of its existence.  Now, because we do not have information on each member's earnings prior to 2006, how should we go about dealing with the "Earnings Cash" column if we do not have complete earnings information going back to 2002?  It seems to me that the easiest way would be just treat the switch over to the iClub software as a "new club", sort of speak.  We know how much each member has invested (we have those records back to inception), and we know the current unit value of the club, so wouldn't we be able to give a starting unit value as of 1/1/2011, and that should take care of it?  We will of course still use the Excel sheet to generate each member's distributions for the current year 2010.  I don't see how members would run the risk of being doubly taxed if we proceed this way.  The taxes amount to no more than a few dollars anyway.  Thank you for any advice you might have.

Pawche  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:55:12 PM(UTC)
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Matthew, Do you still have the files from the Excel spreadsheet distribution information? You may be able to reconstruct the total earnings per member from that information plus the 2006 forward information you say you have. If that is not possible I have one more idea that may be able to reconstruct the members' earnings portion of their cost basis. You would need to have records of the club's expenses and income ( interest, capital gains)  for the years 2002 to 2006. With that information and each member's ownership share each year we could get close to  figuring out the cumulative earnings. How close depends on how detailed the data is. This is probably too detailed for other's on this forum.We can take this onto the iclub support. Have you sent a request to support?  Let me know. You can contact me directly at iclub-ram@sbcglobal.net.

Russell Malley

Mattmifron  
#7 Posted : Monday, October 18, 2010 2:00:43 PM(UTC)
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Thank you Mr. Malley.  I will put a ticket in as you suggest.

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